Vote on Leaving the OIK Abstimmung austritt OIK

Im Namen des Staatsrat und Minister Paolo Lisander
Zurzeit ist Paolo der Höchste Anwesende Instanz.
Diskusion zur Abstimmung..
Verlassen wir die O.I.K oder nicht?

Dauer der Diskusion 7 Tagen
Dauer der Abstimmung 7 Tagen

In the Name of the Council Member and Minister Paolo Lisander at present the Highes Ranking here I will open a Discusion prior to a Vote.
Leave the O.I.K or not?

Duration of the Discusion 7 Day's
Duration of the Vote 7 Day's

My Info on the Topic might not be up to date if someone could give me a resumé in English about what actually did happen.

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I will Hand it on to you or Haro will..
I am ,at present..,Burohandicapt so to Speack

But in a "Happy way" :
O.K..I'll Wait and See what's up.

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Let me be clear about the Nature of this Discussion and e.t Vote..so there be NO Misunderstandings.

If Stepla Votes in dis-favor of Leaving the O.I.K , the Party is off..
Stepka is the G.S and Head of State.

There will be No Singel Actions like Haro app to the O.I.K for Deliting Kaputistan (wish in Theory he could do..)
Between him and me there is a clear acordance about the Nature of this Discussion and e.t Voting.

If Stepka does not oppose this Aim "Leaving the O.I.K" or does not respond at all (Say within a Month or so I heard there are Technical Problems..)
I will Ask Haro to start the Deliting Proc at the O.I.K's..and I will take upon me the Resp for it.
Under condition that at least a 3/4 of the Members agree's.

On Members..
Who Votes? the Citsans of Kaputistan those who 'carried" the Country.
That's not the likes of Leoly, Carmen de Mora Trauenstein, Saxburger ,Veuxin..

Doubles like Czombateli don't Vote Either..
Maleter CAN Vote Kati Kapteen not..
Veronique Els CAN Vote but Jane la Hirshon not.

Ich lege hiermit ein Veto im Namen István Sczepanovic Stepkas ein.

Quelle: Ermächtigung.

Zitat:

Original von Veuxin ent Drakestrin-Rumata Ich lege hiermit ein Veto im Namen István Sczepanovic Stepkas ein. Quelle: Ermächtigung.

For the Others.
This Veuxin Wishes to Veto this Procedure "In the Name of Stepka"
I'll Ignore this Stepka can do that Himself or one of the Other U.S.B Heads or State.
Siddharta oder Chilavert, in Person..I do this things myself in Person to even if Birthgivn Time is close at Hand..

Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 1 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Paolo Lisander am 08.07.2011 20:47.

Dazu möchte ich anmerken: die Kartenfrage ist für die USB sehr wichtig. Es müssen alle USB-Staaten wenigstens auf einer gemeinsamen Karte vertreten sein, sonst kann die USB mangels gemeinsamer Basis zumachen. Unter anderem deshalb ist auch Wolfenstein auf der OIK-Karte geblieben.

Liebe Kaputisen, eine Auflösung der USB ist nicht hinnehmbar.

saludos
Chilavert

EDIT: darüber hinaus denke ich, dass jeder USB-Bruderstaat auf anderen Karten tun und lassen kann, was er will. Aber zumindest ein kartenmässiger kleinster gemeinsamer Nenner muss da sein, um nicht in die Beliebigkeit imperialistischer Bündnisse abuzdriften.

Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 1 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Presidente Chilavert am 08.07.2011 21:15.

Solange Veux und Fresse oder Kurz Uwe da ist ist es besser wir Gehen weg da..später kann mann ja das Land Neu Anmelden..wie z.b Futuna.
Wenn es da wieder ein gewisse form von Redlichkeit ,Nettheit und Ehrlichkeit zurück gekehrt ist..

Aslong as Veuxin of Resse ,short Uwe is around there it's far better for us to get out of there.
Later on we could withoud a problem re enlist on that Map when Sence, Dignety and just a bit of Honesty have returned.

Auch kann die U.S.B als ganze auf ein andere Karte Wechseln diese Möglichkeiten gibt es ja.
There is the Poss of the entire USB ,in its present form to be transfered on an other Map

Ein Eigne Karte geht auch ..wo wir Länder drauf Einzeichnen mit den wir Verkehren und die ebenfalls drauf wollen.
Vorlagen zu so etwas gibt es schon.
A Map of our on with Nations on it with whom we have contacts
I Believe a Thing like this has been made..

Nichts tun und sagen "Ja bleiben wir halt und lassen es.." ist keine Option..
Dann wurden wir dieses Gesocks auch noch Belohnen.
Sitting put like "Well than we Stay and whaat the Heck"is no Option that way we would even reward this ramsh.

Wir haben optionen..lass uns die Benutzen..die da bei die OIK sind viel zu weit gegangen, Zeit das wir die das Merken lassen.
We do have options let's use them..those People over there at the OIK's have gone waaaaay to far and it's about Time they be made to Feel that.

Ich werde die Honeurs für Linchen wahrnehmen ddie Grunde sind Bekannt .
I will stand in for Lina the reasons are known.

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Let me See...if I got it Right.
The Idea was to hold a Follow-up Election..the Same Candidates doing it once more..
But a Redo Election was called for meaning "Time for People to Candidate (All those aledged to Candidate) or to upstain from a Candacy.

So the Called for Election was not Identical with the form of Election that was held.
The Result must be :Halting the Election , declair it non-Valid and do it over again.

That's the Techical Thing and No..One can't go on with a miss-Called Election promising to do it better next Time.

More seriouce is the blatent mis-behaviour of this Veuxin and his Dau ID(s)
Grose is the Trowing around with e.t RL Names of others though I Know that the Used Name by Veuxin has no real connections with Haro.

Grose to is the Prying in Once way of Playing (How many ID's who, what) and the Attempts to insult others misusing once Position of Director.
Nothing New..See Bailey and Rudiger..
And than the clear cut attempt to invoke Threats, and Censorship..

I Think Things like that can be Meant in a Grown-up Maner ...Veuxin who is beyond any Doubt the Agressor here ofters excuses to Haro..
The Election is redone ,completly ,either as Follow up Election or a Election redo..

If Veuxin Thinks he can carry on like before I will Side with Vero and Haro in this matter.

Doing nothing is not an option.

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Dann muss die USB drüber abstimmen. Ich kann das Ergebnis schon jetzt voraussagen.

saludos
Chilavert

EDIT: I can't believe that there is such a discussion around the OIK elections. What do you expect of imperialist organizations or imperialist members of "normal" organizations? You will face betray, false accusations and just stupidity all the time u deal with them. So thats why we have to act as a whole in the USB - and as members of the OIK. This is the forefront of our fight against imperialism and reaction - and thats why we need to stay in this organization, why we need partizipation of all delegates to the OIK of the USB-nations. IF we act together and IF our arguments are good - not like in the debate now - we could easily compare our disadvantage in votes. Then we maybe can change something. Thats also what our USB-General Treaty tells us in its foreword and many articles - to act together and to fight the international imperialism. I think, if we leave the OIK, we leave the front line in this fight. So this is no option, and if just one USB-nation would leave the OIK, in my opinion the conditions of the USB General Treaty, §4.1, are given and fullfilled.

Please think about the OIK and don't forget what the OIK means to the USB and the USBs fight for justice and socialism.

Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 1 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Presidente Chilavert am 08.07.2011 22:39.

I don't get it..you don't like the O.I.K, Sidd doesn't Love it either.
What's the point of Staying there?? we can have contact with any Nation we want even if away from the O.I.K..
The Fight for Socialism must not be abendoned...even if we ain't on the O.I.K any more, let the Pedestrals and Asses like Veuxin-Fresse stuff it right up there dumb Asses.
We don''t need to Play ,wheater that be Sports, Poletics or Cultural, in Nations or Organisations who meet the Qualifications you mentioned?.
We CAN have our Own World where the Maping Organisation leaves one be..why staying on a Map filled with Cheats, Dumbshuts, an other Idiots like Adipose..boy is he a Dumpshut Class 1..

But I don't want to Stay as an obstacle in the Way of the USB it ain't that..

If that piece of Paper depickting a Discusion between Veux and Sidd is Valid than My Day's here will come to an end.
If Sidd Thinks he must "Arrange" Things that way, withoud even Listening to Others..
Well I don't Think Sidd (Stepka) did that ,for the moment I Think that this is a Fraud and Veuxin-Fresse is not new to comiting Frauds..

I Play to have fun to See something Grow and Develope I don't Play to anoy myself.

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This is One of Katii's Hybrid Maps.we could shift the Whole of the USB onto that map..
Kiáltvánny actualy on Baldur is on it as well.
And we could wave the OIK Farewell until better Times.

Øysten is Right ofcourse if Veuxin Excuses himself for His insults and does it Right with those Elections the Thing is over.

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Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 1 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Veronique Els am 08.07.2011 23:37.

Zitat:

Original von Veronique Els We CAN have our Own World

We have our own world. Its the one on the OIK-map. Let me say thatforWolfenstein the OIK-Map (before BIK-map and stuff) is part of our nations identity, even more like the UVNO (which was just a politicial, not really wanted, but nevertheless co-founded thing for us). The OIK, btw, isn't the political organization that is able to have significant influence on Wolfensteins policies. Its a map organization. Nothing more. Its ok to get angry about how some protagonists act in this orga, but, it is just the OIK ;-)

What, if we leave everything, that we built up? It would seem strange (to me) and inconsequent. I mean, if there is no fun in the OIK, then don't post in the OIK. At least, the OIK could be working fine if just people would vote, not discuss personal stuff. In difference to the UVNO, which depends on discussions

Really, i don't like most of OIKs actors. But there is no reason in endless discussions with them. They are happy, if you are sad or angry. Thats what they like most and thats why they provoke you. At least they try to play with you! Just kick their asses and vote against them and don't discuss with them. In fact, we had a good position before this discussion. Remember, Haro got as much votes as Veuxin. This could have been a usefull position to start a small and decent campaign to convince indifferent, newbie OIK-Nations of our point of view, maybe losing the elections now, but getting reliable partners in the future.

And even if I have my problems with some actions of Sidd - there will always be the possibility of talking about it without getting into personal arguing. Thats the difference between acting imperialist or southern. Which means socialist. Even if i don't want to be part of the "german micronational scene" we are - in parts!!! - part of it, an extremistic and small part, but at least - as we are german speakers - part of it. Even if we don't like, but its about definitions (you know how i hate Veuxin for its Defintionitis)...

But no way and never can be a personal discussion lead to verbal and virtual war. Its not worth it!

Zitat:

Original von Veuxin ent Drakestrin-Rumata Ich lege hiermit ein Veto im Namen István Sczepanovic Stepkas ein. Quelle: Ermächtigung.

Siehst du Richtig wir Kaufen dir das indertat nicht ab..
Schau mahl die Erste Zwei Satzen..
1)Hiho
2) Un dann weiss Sidd also schon direkt um was es geht,Ohne das was Gesagt wurde und Ohne das er in Kaputistan Reinlesen kann..kommisch wie ?

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa natürlich du hast in unter 1.5 Minuten im die Ganze Sache erklärt
Ja..alles klar.

Ich gehe davon aus wenn er mit dir Reden kann dann hätte esr auch Paolo oder mich ein Mail Schicken können und er wäre sicher nicht derart untaktisch gewesen Ausgerechnet dich als Botschafts Bursch zu benutzen.

Auch weis er das Paolo nicht auf soetwas eingeht ,er und auch ich ..nehme hier kein Orders entgegen von Fremden das ist "Not Done' und zwar Nirgendwo.
Und genau wie ich weis Siddharta das auch..nur du scheinst das nicht zu Wissen.

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nid bie drooschd.

Zitat:

Original von Haro Huusdroddel Siehst du Richtig wir Kaufen dir das indertat nicht ab.. Schau mahl die Erste Zwei Satzen.. 1)Hiho 2) Un dann weiss Sidd also schon direkt um was es geht,Ohne das was Gesagt wurde und Ohne das er in Kaputistan Reinlesen kann..kommisch wie ?

Könnte an dieser vorigen Mail von mir liegen:

Zitat:

> "Haro"/"Paolo" spinnt rum und will Kaputistan eigenmächtig von der > Karte löschen, weil Du ja weg seist und damit Paolo höchste Instanz > sei. -.- Du musst sie aufhalten! :< LG, Veux.

Aber das ist nur ein random guess.

Zitat:

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa natürlich du hast in unter 1.5 Minuten im die Ganze Sache erklärt Ja..alles klar.

Was muss ich da klären? Sidd gibt eine Entscheidung bekannt und dass ich sie verkünden soll, Ende der Fahnenstange. Unabhängig aller sonstigen Fakten wird er das wohl erstmal so sehen wie Chilavert.

Zitat:

Ich gehe davon aus wenn er mit dir Reden kann dann hätte esr auch Paolo oder mich ein Mail Schicken können und er wäre sicher nicht derart untaktisch gewesen Ausgerechnet dich als Botschafts Bursch zu benutzen.

Warum nicht? Ich habe ihn darauf aufmerksam gemacht, er hat mit mir darüber gesprochen, und ich bin sein Freund und – soweit ich das beurteilen kann – kein unzuverlässiger.

Zitat:

Auch weis er das Paolo nicht auf soetwas eingeht ,er und auch ich ..nehme hier kein Orders entgegen von Fremden das ist "Not Done' und zwar Nirgendwo. Und genau wie ich weis Siddharta das auch..nur du scheinst das nicht zu Wissen.

Hm, schaut so aus, als würde das Sidd auch nicht wissen. Blöd, nicht?

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Original von Presidente Chilavert Zitat: Original von Veronique Els We CAN have our Own World We have our own world. Its the one on the OIK-map. Let me say thatforWolfenstein the OIK-Map (before BIK-map and stuff) is part of our nations identity, even more like the UVNO (which was just a politicial, not really wanted, but nevertheless co-founded thing for us). The OIK, btw, isn't the political organization that is able to have significant influence on Wolfensteins policies. Its a map organization. Nothing more. Its ok to get angry about how some protagonists act in this orga, but, it is just the OIK ;-) What, if we leave everything, that we built up? It would seem strange (to me) and inconsequent. I mean, if there is no fun in the OIK, then don't post in the OIK. At least, the OIK could be working fine if just people would vote, not discuss personal stuff. In difference to the UVNO, which depends on discussions Really, i don't like most of OIKs actors. But there is no reason in endless discussions with them. They are happy, if you are sad or angry. Thats what they like most and thats why they provoke you. At least they try to play with you! Just kick their asses and vote against them and don't discuss with them. In fact, we had a good position before this discussion. Remember, Haro got as much votes as Veuxin. This could have been a usefull position to start a small and decent campaign to convince indifferent, newbie OIK-Nations of our point of view, maybe losing the elections now, but getting reliable partners in the future. And even if I have my problems with some actions of Sidd - there will always be the possibility of talking about it without getting into personal arguing. Thats the difference between acting imperialist or southern. Which means socialist. Even if i don't want to be part of the "german micronational scene" we are - in parts!!! - part of it, an extremistic and small part, but at least - as we are german speakers - part of it. Even if we don't like, but its about definitions (you know how i hate Veuxin for its Defintionitis)... But no way and never can be a personal discussion lead to verbal and virtual war. Its not worth it!

That's why I carefully omited a Job over there..as I Said I Play for fun not to get anoied

I Havn't looked into that Vote so I believe it if you Say so.
One Thing I do not Believe..that The States emerging there are in any way like us..they are mostly Germany Look-alikes or so called "near to real Life "States where phantasy and "Just pooging around' is striktly forbidden.
I don't Think the O.I.K will get any better it's Base is set up the wrong way what gave People like Bailey, Fresse , Carmen, HLII and others the chanse to Wreck it .
The People who ran from it didn't do that for fun..

Veuxin is just a "result" of that wrong construction one who would have no chance at all in the Right constructed Baldurian Maping Organisation..
The point is..the O.I.K isn't a Map Organisation..it's a World Debating Group who do have a Map so they know or have a focus point to Talk about.
We all know where at the End Debating Groups lead to..

The Sugestion that we might have to change the Charter of the USB in order to Free it's Members from Singulair Chart option should be considered the U.S.B should be in the Heads and Hearts of its Members not ness on a Drawing someone made and called "World".

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Why hard if there is an easy way.
Simply Leave the OIK Map ,Wait until the Fresse Hairspray Gang has gone and than re Enlist.

an Agree or arangement can't be achieved with them and a delitation of Kaputistan ,better the whole USB ,would ram Home the Message that they "just might" be on the wrong Road.
If as a Result of this the USB leaves that Map and we make clear WHY we're doing it the Hairspray Gang can shake it coming next Election(s)

Easy as Cake and a Piece a Pie.

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Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 2 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Ati Mattistonen am 09.07.2011 10:29.

Paolo and Stepka ain't there for Understandable Reasons..so I prolong the Discussion Time until that point in time in whish both are able to attend.

Remarks or Sugestions here...in this Thread of the likes of Veuxin etc..are to be Ignored.
Don't Feed the Trolls!

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